Talk:Spider-Man

Superspeed

Spider-Man does not have superspeed. Listing that and linking to Speedster (fiction) is blatantly incorrect and unsupported by any source. MrOllie (talk) 18:28, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes he does, I read the Spider-Man comics where he is said to have mentioned in some comics that his superhuman speed, is called "proportionate speed of a spider" and "spider-speed", but that doesn't mean that it's equal to either Flash or Superman, his superhuman speed was measured in 200-250mph;

Read the link https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Spectacular-Spider-Man-1976/Issue-87?id=19204. Not just in Spectacular Spider-Man, during his battle against Green Goblin, in https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The-Amazing-Spider-Man-1963/Issue-40?id=4008, Spider-Man defeated Goblin where he says in his quote before defeating him, "Perhaps my strength can't save me now, Gobby...but I've another ace in the hole...don't tell me you've never heard of my swingin' SPIDER SPEED?!!" and then Spidey used it against Goblin and land a final blow by kicking him in the face. These are the proof that Spider-Man does possess superhuman speed, Like I said, his speed may not be quite equal to Flash or Superman, but his speed is said to have travel 200-250m/mph. If you read in Spider-Man's origin story https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Amazing-Fantasy-1962/Issue-15, when facing Crusher Hogan in the wrestling tournament, Peter mentions after dodging Crusher's attack before effortlessly lifting up; Peter quoted "It works! I have the 'speed', the agility, and very strength of a gigantic spider!" Spider-Man doesn't only possess agility, he possess speed, there are evidence where he is able to dodge bullets, and will appear or disappear in a blink of an eye. So no it's not wrong, it's true, you know if Stan Lee's still alive, he'll explain to you the same opinion as I have, because he created, I read it and there is the fact that Spider-Man does possess speed! Aaeliaba (talk) 19:08, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Even webswinging too, that's evidental that Spider-Man webswings at high speed and is able to catch up to speeding vehicles. Aaeliaba (talk) 19:11, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Those quotes do not support the content you are trying to add. 'Speed' in colloquial english often refers to a person's reflexes, as it does in your examples. This is not the same as the 'superspeed' possessed by characters such as the Flash or Quicksilver. Spider-Man swings quickly, he does not run at hundreds of miles per hour. MrOllie (talk) 19:37, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Uh yes he does! 200-250 Aaeliaba (talk) 19:38, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Simply replying 'yes he does' will not help you gain WP:CONSENSUS for your proposed edits. Find us a reliable secondary source (_not_ a quotation from a comic book) that supports your position. MrOllie (talk) 19:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

200-250 is how fast he can run, but he prefers web-swings with his speed combined. I founded it in a site, "American teenager Peter Parker, a poor sickly orphan, is bitten by a radioactive spider. As a result of the bite, he gains superhuman strength, speed, and agility, along with the ability to cling to walls, turning him into Spider-Man." the whole world mostly confirms that Spider-Man not only possess agility and reflexes, but speed as well, and again I'm not saying Spider-Man's speed is equal to Flash, I'm saying that his speed was used by Spider-Man when jumping, dodging, delivering fast attacks against opponents, and appears and disappears without a blink of an eye! Aaeliaba (talk) 19:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

You know, I don't believe that Spidey doesn't have superhuman speed, because he does as seen in comics, tv shows, movies, and video games. I don't get this. Aaeliaba (talk) 19:47, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

' I founded it in a site' is not a citation. You'll need to find it in something like a book from a reputable publisher. Wikipedia articles are based on sources, not your personal impressions of what you've seen in comics or on your TV. MrOllie (talk) 19:50, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean exactly? Aaeliaba (talk) 20:03, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

And what do you mean reputable publisher? Aaeliaba (talk) 20:04, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I mean that you have to follow Wikipedia policy as laid out at WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:RS. These are basic policies that are the foundation of all Wikipedia editing. If you don't understand them, you can ask for help at WP:TEAHOUSE. MrOllie (talk) 20:05, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Like for me to discuss this to wp teahouse about Spider-Man topic we are talking about? Aaeliaba (talk) 20:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

I do not understand your question, so I have no substantive response. MrOllie (talk) 20:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

You know what, look; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2bjL8WRD2ec&feature=youtu.be.

This video explains Spider-Man's powers and abilities, and his superhuman speed is included within minutes 01:38. And there's also another video where Spider-Man's speed is also mentioned and explained; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DOJz1ETXSBk&feature=youtu.be within minutes 4:19. Keep this in mind, not all speedster heroes and villains have speed like Sonic the Hedgehog, Flash, Quicksilver, or Superman, who can both move at 768-1000mph, some of other heroes and villains like Spider-Man, possess superhuman speed in a different way like in either at 100-200mphs, and just like a person said of how Spider-Man can move, he moves at 200mph, he's not moving like Sonic the Hedgehog, he moves by running at just 200 and surpasses the vehicle by running and can dodge bullets which neither of his enemies can touch him. So those are the videos that will explain to you how. Aaeliaba (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

These youtube videos are also not reliable sources. You must read and understand WP:RS and provide sources that meet that standard. MrOllie (talk) 22:57, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok you got rid of speed from Spider-Man abilities profile, but why didn't you get rid of Miles Spider Gwen 2099 Ultimate Spider (Peter Parker) then if you think that all Spider people don't have proportionate speed of a spider in your own perspective? Aaeliaba (talk) 23:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Because I'm not convinced that Spider-Man doesn't have superhuman speed. Aaeliaba (talk) 23:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I was looking at this article this week, perhaps I will edit those articles on another occasion. In any case the fact that I haven't fixed all errors everywhere does not mean I can't fix this error now. MrOllie (talk) 23:19, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Wait, are you saying the article like Spider-Man article you'll be able to relook at it again and decide perhaps you the word speed back? I don't understand. Aaeliaba (talk) 23:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Is English your native language? You seem to have trouble understanding quite often. MrOllie (talk) 23:37, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

I do speak Aaeliaba (talk) 23:38, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

You know what, how about I put just by highlighting Speed instead of putting back superspeed as highlighted Speedster (fiction), because normal speed is Spider-Man because his proportionate speed of a spider is not equal to superspeeding heroes, but just 40 times faster than average human being. I'm just asking please as long as I don't edit the superhuman speed but just one word Speed. Please? Aaeliaba (talk) 23:56, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

No. You must provide sources. This is basic Wikipedia policy we all need to follow. MrOllie (talk) 23:58, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

So that's it. You know what for the record, I am not convinced. Aaeliaba (talk) 00:02, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

The only reliable source is that Spider-Man is said to be moving speed at 200-250mph it's evidential that he moves by swinging, outrunning the speeding vehicles, not only running, he can leap and perform agility like an athletic stuntman and dodging attacks and react quickly. It's not the agility and reflexes he used, he combines them with speed. Aaeliaba (talk) 00:16, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

He is at 40 times faster average ordinary human. Aaeliaba (talk) 00:17, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

We cannot use your WP:OR as a source. If you cannot provide a source we cannot put this into the article. MrOllie (talk) 00:24, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Then what reliable sources do you want me to explain Spider-Man's superhuman speed instead of no original research? Aaeliaba (talk) 00:33, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I found https://www.marvel.com/characters/spider-man-peter-parker/in-comics, which explain one of Spider-Man's abilities, says this, "Like his namesake, Spider-Man’s strength and agility stand far above those of the average human, allowing him to lift nearly ten tons and to leap and move at incredible speeds with high accuracy." Aaeliaba (talk) 00:40, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

This site I found shows in Marvel much reputable that explains reliable source of the abilities of Spider-Man. Aaeliaba (talk) 00:43, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

If not enough then I'll just have to find reputable sources, Marvel is mostly published and reputable companies in the world and explains Spider-Man's superhuman speed. Aaeliaba (talk) 00:44, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Marvel.com does not support what you are trying to put into the article. You need something that exactly supports the content, not something that is vaguely similar. MrOllie (talk) 00:45, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

How can I say to support the content which would lead me to edit speed in Spider-Man without vaguely similar then? Aaeliaba (talk) 00:52, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't believe such a source exists, so I am not able to provide the source for you. Honestly, I suggest you just move on. MrOllie (talk) 00:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Fine but for just the record, this doesn't convince me that Spider-Man doesn't have superhuman speed, I'm not making things up to you but I'm that he does possess not like Flash but definitely he possess the spider speed based on what he's shown to have one in comics and as it shows descriptions. Fine I'm not expecting you to put it right now, but I'm not convinced and because Marvel did actually that he does have superhuman speed of a spider. That's it. Aaeliaba (talk) 01:04, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

actually says* Aaeliaba (talk) 01:05, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Nothing has changed. Waiting a month and then returning to this edit war is not going to magically help you get your way. You still need to provide reliable sourcing that supports your edits. - MrOllie (talk) 21:14, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

PS: vandalizing the talk page won't help either. MrOllie (talk) 12:49, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Honestly if Spider-Man does not have superhuman speed as you said, then this wouldn't mean that he possess agility and reflexes, his speed is the main reason why Spider-Man has the agility and reflexes, speed is the parent of the agility and reflexes. Otherwise, if he doesn't have spider-speed, then he would have possess the agility or reflexes then. Aaeliaba (talk) 20:46, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

This is what it bothers me. Aaeliaba (talk) 20:46, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

First things first, just because that you revert it by edit warring does not mean it's gonna change the Spider-Man's powers section, I'm not saying your wrong Aaeliaba, but what you are doing, you shoud've thought about discussing without revert repeatly, I mean you can still talk about it without any further reverts. Aaroncrazy (talk) 20:50, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

MrOllie, I apologize to see Aaeliaba causing edit warring, I know, he should've explain this to you by finding reliable source. But as I relook at Spider-Man's powers section in Spider-Man page, I look through the sources and it's says The Science of Superheroes which includes Spider-Man and his powers and abilities correct? Aaroncrazy (talk) 20:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

The Science of Superheroes is the one what I found in Spider-Man page, as I clicked in Powers, skills, and equipment, is that the one you guys are arguing about? Aaroncrazy (talk) 21:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

And also what do you mean "chronological order"? Aaroncrazy (talk) 21:08, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

New talk page posts go at the bottom, so the postings appear in the order they were made. Don't add text in the middle of a talk section. The article additions are being made with no source at all, which is the problem. The Science of Superheroes does not support the additions being made so that is irrelevant. In fact it notes the opposite - that spiders "are not noted as being particularly fast for their size." MrOllie (talk) 21:10, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

But according to what I read just now it appears what it says, yes you're right, they are not "particularly fast for their size", but it says that "Spiders move 'quickly'". Basically I'm not trying to say that Spider-Man's speed is equal to Flash, but his speed in comics especially in the science of superheroes were noted to be called "spider speed" as says in the origin of Spider-Man content. Well at least to Aaeliaba, at first let me say this, he could've at least find out about it instead of vandalizing to revert it back, but the speed he has a point, but his actions of edit warring, he should've not done that could've explained this reliable sentence which I'm doing right now, just to argue about it properly. I think Spider-Man's speed is the main reason why he's been agile superhero and can also possess reflexes as well. The Science of Superheroes says that "Considering that Peter gained spider strength, spider agility, and 'spider speed', but if spider speed is not included in Spidey's abilities section, then the marvel including the documentary science superheroes book wouldn't mention all three, instead they would've include just two. So what I'm trying to say is that Spider-Man doesn't only possess spider-strength and spider-agility according to official creators in Marvel, he also possess "spider-speed". Aaroncrazy (talk) 21:37, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I hate to believe it, but Aaroncrazy has a point, I'm reviewing it as well Spider-man315 (talk) 21:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't born yesterday. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Aaeliaba opened. MrOllie (talk) 21:44, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I mean what they're telling us, that Spider-Man's spider-speed don't mean that it's equal to the speedster heroes and villains, but it doesn't that Spider-Man is not fast. Honestly, not all superheroes like Spider-Man, and supervillains have superhuman speed are equivalent to the Flash, Superman, Sonic, or any other speedsters, some of them like Spider-Man possess superhuman speed in a very different way. Spider-man315 (talk) 21:46, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Spider-Man's profile on the official Marvel website states that he possesses superhuman speed, so I added the information on his superhuman speed back into the article with the reference. I used Marvel.com as the reference, so it is certainly a reliable source for information on Spider-Man's powers.The Editor 155 (talk) 17:59, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

As thoroughly explained above, the source does not support that edit. MrOllie (talk) 20:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

The reference I used comes from Marvel.com, so it is certainly reputable, and it very clearly says that he can move at superhuman speeds in the sidebar section which lists all his powers. The main text of the source also mentions his speed. And the Spider-Man: Back in Black Handbook, which was published by Marvel, also states that Spider-Man can run several times faster than even the fasted non-superpowered human, which is the literal definition of superhuman speed, so I could also include this as a reputable source. Can I also ask why you removed the Marvel Comics businesspeople category which I added? I added it because of Parker Industries. The Fictional business executives category is already included on the page, so Spider-Man would certainly be counted as a businessperson.The Editor 155 (talk) 10:19, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

To quote WP:CAT: The defining characteristics of an article's topic are central to categorizing the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic. Spider-man is not commonly and consistently referred to as a business person. As to the speed stuff, see the discussion above. Most sources (for example the Escapist) that have written about this stuff place him well short of characters noted for speed (like the Flash or Quicksliver), so categorizing the character that way is highly misleading. And, again, he is not "commonly and consistently" categorized that way. MrOllie (talk) 13:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Why does it matter if Spider-Man is not as fast as characters like the Flash or Quicksilver? There are literally hundreds of Marvel characters who are categorized for having superhuman speed, and many of them are not characters who are commonly associated with the ability. I do not understand why it would be seen as misleading to categorize Spider-Man this way when he is known for possessing superhuman speed, and the category is for characters who possess the ability.The Editor 155 (talk) 13:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

That another article contains an improper category is not a reason to repeat that error here as well. - MrOllie (talk) 13:42, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Why would categorizing Marvel Comics characters who can move at superhuman speeds as Marvel Comics characters who can move at superhuman speeds be improper? — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Editor 155 (talk • contribs)

Perhaps you didn't read my message above. I'll repeat the relevant quotation from WP:CAT again: The defining characteristics of an article's topic are central to categorizing the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic. - MrOllie (talk) 13:48, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

But Spider-Man is commonly refered to as possessing superhuman speed whenever his powers are listed.The Editor 155 (talk) 13:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

That is not an accurate statement. Also, I have noticed that you consistently indent your replies incorrectly, please have a read of Wikipedia:Indentation. Indent one level below whatever you are replying to. - MrOllie (talk) 13:51, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I have added a post about this debate to the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard, so hopefully a resolution will soon be reached.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Spider-Man

The Editor 155 (talk) 14:01, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

You state that in that request "There is a long discussion on the Spider-Man talk page where we tried to resolve the dispute", but the long discussion is with Aaeliaba. Is that also your account? - MrOllie (talk) 14:05, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

No, I only have one account. I meant a discussion between all the editors on the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Editor 155 (talk • contribs)

You should be aware that every comment in this section that is not from either myself or from you is from a single person who has been blocked for sockpuppetry. - MrOllie (talk) 14:15, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

In that case, it really would be beneficial to have some new voices involved in the discussion on the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. - The Editor 155 (talk) 14:20, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

That's not how DRN works. Just wait, people will appear on this talk page, it is a highly watched article. MrOllie (talk) 14:28, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Why is it now how DRN works? And the DRN listing will still draw people to this talk page, so I think it was appropriate for me to have posted it on there. Also, you said more people will appear on the talk page as it is a highly watched article, but you also said in an early post that all the other editors who responded were actually just one person who had been blocked for sockpuppetry, and the discussion started in all the way back in June. So, it seems like not many people were previously taking part in the discussion. - The Editor 155 (talk) 14:41, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

DRN is a moderated discussion, not an invitation for additional comment. Such a process is premature, this new discussion is only a few hours old. MrOllie (talk) 15:39, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Then I will wait to see if more editors respond. - The Editor 155 (talk) 16:43, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Here from DRN, as was predicted. Probably just going to chime in here once, but it has always been fairly apparent to me that Spider Man possesses super speed. He has been shown many times to perform tasks such as dodging blows or bullets that would require, by definition, speed unachievable by a normal human. That is what I believe the Cat should refer to. Though, I can appreciate MrOllie's desire to keep the Super Speed Cat dedicated to specific speedsters whose primary power is to run fast, but that simply isn't what the super power entails. Spider Man may not break the sound barrier with a brisk jog, but he could probably out sprint Usain Bolt. I believe this disagreement could be summed up to an difference of interpretation of how powers should be categorized on Wikipedia, which I believe should be a little more broadly than MrOllie's view, though I do not want to misrepresent your perspective, so feel free to correct me if that is not the case. 192.77.12.11 (talk) 09:40, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Spider-Man definitely can run faster than Usain Bolt, as this reference states that he can run faster than even the fastest non-superpowered human. The Editor 155 (talk) 14:10, 31 December 2023 (UTC) The Editor 155 (talk) 11:42, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

References

Community reassessment

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Result: No consensus to delist. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:11, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Recently, I've copyedited this article and edited fictional content into present tense. However, this article was promoted to GA status back in 2014, and the article looked vastly different to what it is now. This article may violate GAC criterion 2D, and the copyright violation report can be found here. Note that the top result is a fan site. I also feel that some of the images in the article violate criterion 6B, as the images may not have suitable captions. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 21:41, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Correction: The article's last GA review was back in 2009, not 2014. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 01:18, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

• On criterion 2D ("not plagarism" - side note, it's convenient to remind readers which criteria is which): The copyright violation report doesn't look remotely problematic to me. All of the top hits are bloggy sources that don't actually appear to be that close to the article and were published long after the article was made a GA, so they're just copying Wikipedia rather than Wikipedia copying them. For images, "suitable captions" is WP:SOFIXIT territory - I don't see what's so problematic with the existing captions, but if you have ideas to improve them, you should just go ahead & edit them in. Now, it's possible that the article isn't GA and/or just needs a refresher due to looking very different from the promoted version, but I'm not sold the problem, if any, is in image captions or in copyright violation. SnowFire (talk) 23:24, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
• Keep I made a quick check of the article and found no noticeable problems, and as pointed the reasons for delisting are rather weak. Cambalachero (talk) 16:05, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

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Spidey (disambiguation) hatnote

Hey, I've added the most recent spidey redirect template, but I see the page is already marked with two. I'm unfamiliar with the multi redirect template and frankly, I would rather someone who is maintaining this page more closely adjust the hatnotes themselves. Just pinging here in case someone wanted to review the most recent redirect hatnote for Spidey (disambiguation). Thanks, microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 17:11, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Speed

After reading the discussion. My opinion. Is Spiderman a speedster like the Flash? No. But is he faster than any other human? Yes. Marvel’s official website even says he has that ability: https://www.marvel.com/characters/spider-man-peter-parker/in-comics I’m gonna go by that people. Ziggy Coltrane (talk) 18:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

You can go by what you like personally, but not on Wikipedia. You should not edit war about this. MrOllie (talk) 18:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I’m going by the facts, if Marvel’s official website says he is, then he is. There is no better source than the creators themselves.Ziggy Coltrane (talk) 19:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

That's not how Wikipedia works. See WP:RS, WP:CON, etc. Even setting that aside, the 'equilibrium' you have been adding isn't supported even in that flimsy source. MrOllie (talk) 19:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2024

45.251.229.150 (talk) 12:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 13:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:40, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I propose delisting the Spider-Man article from "Good Article" status due to several important issues. Many sections lack proper references, and some have no citations at all, which affects the article's reliability. It also needs updates to include recent developments in the Spider-Man franchise. Additionally, the article is too long and would benefit from trimming or splitting into shorter sections. It also contains unnecessary trivia and original research that detract from its quality. For these reasons, I believe the Spider-Man article should be delisted until these problems are fixed. Lililolol (talk) 23:05, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

• Delist: same concerns as above. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 09:35, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

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Ethnicity of Spider-Man (Peter Parker)

Peter Parker has Irish, Italian, French, German and English, Peter has Irish origin on mother's side (Mary Parker (Nee Fitzpatrick) while Peter having English, French, Irish, German (theory because are protestant) and Italian origin on Father's side (Richard Parker) 2001:448A:1000:1E6C:7505:814C:FB8B:42D6 (talk) 05:29, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Who was originally created Spider-Man with Stan Lee before chose Steve Ditko

asistant Mark Evanier revealed Jack Kirby was originally drew five pages of Spidey (a teen transformed into a adult hero with a magic ring, web gun and Captain America-style suit) before Steve Ditko he's redesigned Spidey with a webshooter and standard costume 2001:448A:1000:1E6C:7505:814C:FB8B:42D6 (talk) 05:32, 19 October 2024 (UTC)